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currentg58

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I just recieved a replacement Directv DVR and I need to transfer/copy my saved video files in the hard drive inside the other R15-500 DVR.  The following are some questions that I have:

1. Can these video files be copied from the Hard Drive to DVD? If yes, how and what software is needed to perform this task?

2. Are the video files encrypted with CSS/DeCSS or copyright protected using DRM?

Here is what I already know:

A. The Hard Drive (HD) is accessible.

B.  The HD has a series of folders that contain several files with files extensions: .XMA, .XMB, .XMD, .XMI, .XMJ, .XMV, .XMW, and .STR. 

C. The *.STR file is the largest file with a file size just over 1MB.  Recent searches found that this file extension is usually associated with the older Playstation Video Stream or GameJack images.

D.  The *.STR file is the only file that cannot be copied from the HD to any medium or other location.  Hence, the assumption for question 2. above.

E.  There are some good software out there that will RIP and Unprotect most video file types; but, I have NOT been able to find one that will support the .STR file type.

If there is any work around or solution out there, I would be very happy to recieve such information.  Your feedback and comments are always welcome!

Thank you.

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February 3, 2008 12:30 PM

If u FIgure it out me let me know, id like to be able to do the same

March 23, 2008 1:26 AM

I'd like to know too.

March 25, 2008 9:41 PM

Please post your results.  I'd like to do download to a dvd as well.

Thanks.

March 31, 2008 5:38 PM

I just got my new DirecTV DVR - black - not sure which model number it is.  It has ethernet (no open ports, I checked), USB (unchecked) and of course you could always risk opening the box up.  There's even a front SATA connector (!) for future use - probably for eSATA connectors.

I've little information on the service/DVR, but I'll guess it's a Linux kernel.  The binaries are probably digitally signed, etc., and I'm sure they've gone through some trouble to make sure someone is unlikely to access the hard drive content (deliberately via direct access of the disk or via the ports on the unit).

That said, I'm curious if there is a way to get "in" to the box and peek around - without necessarily destroying anything.  Probably illegal, but whatever...  we don't need to bitch about that, as we're all responsible for our own actions and this is just conversation.

If I were to hook this up to a Linux/UNIX system, I'd check the partitioning and see if the filesystem types were compatible and could be mounted.  And/or I would try doing a direct disk copy ("dd" in Linux, or some other raw copying utility) to create a disk image that could be poked around at without harming the hard disk itself.

Sure, I'd love to back up the few programs I record, for my own personal use.  I hate the thought of not having some flexibility with that, as I did with my Tivo.

Anyone want to share some data/information about these boxes? 

Funny side note: I called Tivo and asked them if their HD Tivo was compatible with DirecTV, the customer rep and a supervisor adamantly insisted it was - but posting to Tivo's forums revealed the newer models are not.  They did have a DirecTivo, but that's discontinued.  If someone has more information about that, or a correction in that let me know.  Yeah, I'll post in another forum - just had to mention it as it's slightly related ;-)

Cheers....

April 9, 2008 1:12 PM

I guess not many people read this column :-(

On a side note to this, I hooked up my Windows Vista system to my LAN and it picked up on the DirecTV DVR on my network, asking if I wanted to access those programs from Windows Media Player (!) - I'm surprised, as I didn't think there was a way - clearly there may be, and it might take some protocol/line sniffing to figure out.

Anyone?

April 10, 2008 4:33 PM

Both the HR20 and HR21 boot from flash memory, not the hard drive.

As far as I can see, this would make them unhackable.

I am not even sure they are Linux based, since the is no sign of the GNU license agreement in the manual. 

April 10, 2008 4:44 PM

I asked one of the service techs, and he said it's a proprietary OS.  That would make more sense... in fact, it may be UNIX, but licensed from <whomever>.   Booting from flash wouldn't be practical - if an update failed, the entire unit would be useless.

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February 15, 2009 7:22 AM

Dear Higgins09,

I believe the majority of us support your reasoning and the DRM. The programs that we (customers of Sat TV/Direct TV) have paid for and dowmloaded to our DVR have both the privilege and right of pssession to those "saved" programs. Especially, if the DVR fails to operate as expected. It is NOT piracy when you have paid for it and are not intended to distribute it for capital gain. Therefore, if such software exist to copy, move or back up your "saved" TV or movie programs; then, it should be made available to the users of the Direct TV equipment. One can also argue, that if this software is only made available to the technician, what assurance does Direct TV have that their technicians are taking advantage of those "saved" programs that we (customer) have already paid for.

I urge anyone with such software to make the URL or weblink available as soon as possible becuase Direct TV customers should not have to pay for these programs twice or more.

Class Action lawsuits and small claims like these have been brought against large companies such as, Comcast, Vonage, and auto franchises and successfully, won their litigations in court.

I will continue to watch for any additional postings to determine how wide spread this issue is. So, please spread the word and have those that you know or become aware of to post their same concerns here. Then, after a 3-month period, I will consider and determine the next step or action.

Thank you.

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February 20, 2010 4:11 PM

This may be a stupid question, but why not just burn the programs to a DVD via DVD recorder?

March 20, 2010 6:44 PM

I have a similar (?same) question and too novice to interpret the previous responses (sorry)

I have a DirecTV HD-DVR, model HR20, and want to record some of my saved HD recordings to removable media, but still in HD (or equivalent) format. Cost is not particularly an issue. Would a separate BluRay or HD DVD recorder to do this?
Or what other solutions are possible?

Thanks in advance for your help.

March 22, 2010 12:10 AM

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March 23, 2010 11:57 AM

Naveen,
Thanks for the most useless reply ever. Perhaps you should take your meds before posting.

March 28, 2010 6:25 AM

I am also in the same situation as many of you are on this positing. I have been with DirectTV for over a year now and been recording my favorite TV programs and movies on my HD DVR. It's starting to fill up - only got 20% left. I am very much frustrated that there is no easy solution for backing up your recorded programs on your DVR to DVD or other portable media.

I completely agree with currentg58. You are paying for all the programs you want to see through DirectTV. It only makes sense that you should also be provided with easy solutions to backing up your recorded programs from your DVR provided that you are not going to make money off of these programs and movies.

Just recently, I was behind on my bill with my DirectTV account and they temporarily disconnected me. So, I thought to myself,

March 28, 2010 6:28 AM

Here is rest of my previous positing. :)

Just recently, I was behind on my bill with my DirectTV account and they temporarily disconnected me. So, I thought to myself, " at least I have the recorded programs on my DVR to watch until I pay my DirectTV bill." Well, guess what happened? I couldn't play any of my recorded programs on my DVR either, when my service was disconnected. At that moment, I felt someone just took a kitchen knife and back stabbed me. I am shelling out hundreds of dollars for their service and I can't even play my DVR listings even if I don't have their service.

I am furiously searching on the internet for any way to easily do this but keep coming empty handed. However, just recently I had a chance to speak with a DirectTV guy at the Best Buy, when I was there to buy DVD recorder. So, I asked if there is any way to record your programs from DirectTV DVR to DVD. He told me by law you shouldn't be able to do that and you really shouldn't back anything up from their DVR. However, he went on to tell me that there are ways to get around this issue and the DRM chip. He told me that his friend uses one of the USB port to download the DVR list to the computer and burns the files onto DVD. He also told me that you don't loose HD if your program is HD. By the way, after speaking with DirectTV guy, I chose not to buy any DVD recorder instead planning on buying a laptop.

Currentg58 - you got my signature if you are going to file class action suit against DirectTV.

June 16, 2010 8:24 AM

Why don't you just get an External hard drive. Hook it up to your DVR and record to it--It tells you how on the Directv website. Then take the the Ext. HD and hook it up to your PC and burn your programs to the DVD. Some shows may be protected but you can buy software pretty cheap to get around it and it works really good. The software sales for around 30 bucks and External HD depends on the GB size you get. 1TB can be bought for 100 or less--I have seen 500 gbs from Buy com for less than 60 bucks.. What burns me up is: I bought my DVR from a out source for 200. but you still have to pay rent on it as if you got it from directv. Plus Dish net is offering HD service for free always.

June 16, 2010 8:25 AM

Why don't you just get an External hard drive. Hook it up to your DVR and record to it--It tells you how on the Directv website. Then take the the Ext. HD and hook it up to your PC and burn your programs to the DVD. Some shows may be protected but you can buy software pretty cheap to get around it and it works really good. The software sales for around 30 bucks and External HD depends on the GB size you get. 1TB can be bought for 100 or less--I have seen 500 gbs from Buy com for less than 60 bucks.. What burns me up is: I bought my DVR from a out source for 200. but you still have to pay rent on it as if you got it from directv. Plus Dish net is offering HD service for free always.

June 16, 2010 5:05 PM

Hmmm. I have an external drive--maybe I will give that a shot and report back here. Thanks Subnc BTW--that has always bothered me about DTV. Lease charges per receiver--even though I bought them. BS. I am starting to look at Dish more and more--but I have this sneaking suspcion they have hidden charges as well.

June 17, 2010 8:03 AM

subnc, it is easier said than done, my friend. DirecTV has proprietory file format that don't exist anywhere but within their own DVR. Even if you manage to move the recoreded programs from your external hardrive into your computer to be burned, you need to decrypt and convert those files into playable format. If not, you can't play it at all on your DVD player and you will waste your DVDs. How do I know this? I have spoken to a tech from DirecTV and tried it myself. I never could do it. They have gotten very strict with copyright laws
and this is an example of how far they will go. One of my co-worker has a older DVR model and he says he can easily move files back and forth from his DVR into computers and burn any programs and even HD as HD without loosing resolution. So, I am guessing witin last 3 to 5 years, DirecTV made all these modifications to their DVR systems as a result of all big cry babies from HOLLYWOOD. LOL.

June 17, 2010 10:53 AM

Yeah so that external drive actually acts as a replacement drive to the internal HDD. It's either one or the other during the boot-up process. There is no way to "databus" the internal drive files to an external drive. Even if you were able too, DVR4life is quite correct that the files are encrypted and married to the receiver the DVR for palyback. Now, I believe you could output through the composite connectors on the back to video capture card--haven't tested or tried that, but in theory that would be one way to port content. Of course it would be in standard definition.

June 18, 2010 1:56 PM

Best options I have found for new Direct TV:
Buy a SATA docking station connect to SATA connection on DVR. Power down everything by disconnection from power outlet. Buy 1 TB HD and insert in docking station then power up. Then power up DVR. DVR will format and recognise 1 TB as DVR HD. Once HD is full you can remove and keep. Add new 1 TB. You can store about 150 HD movies on each 1 TB HD. To access programmes on old HD simply do same procedure.
To create file copy on DVD best option is to drop onto separate DVR with DVD recorder (I use Polaroid DRM-2001G) although standard definition it gives very good quality DVDs from HD source.

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