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February 26, 2004 02:39 PM

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Michael M

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I recently had my Series 1 (T60) uppraded by PTV -- everyhting is super -- now PTV got me over the hardward setup hump with great ease ....I am trying to be a litle more intelligent and understand how I can use my new TIVO.

So I have few questions as I try to understand the TIVO software side.

Peaking into to the TIVO via TeraTerm Pro -- which is telnet access I have been trying to discern my setup -- since there do not seem to be alot of changes in typical places like rc.sysinit or rc.sysinit.author or .profile

So I am curious how my series 1 is set up to run programs automatically

For example -- how the the "flags" in my root directory operate (TYTOOL-ON or TYEDITOR_ON etc) are these aliases if so where is the alias setup in my directories

How does this work to automatically turn on tyserver so that tytool works in windows when you ask it to show your

I also can't seem to find the place where you tell tivo to start programs when it starts up?

I checked for rc.sysinit and there is really not much in it -- also you didn't have rc.sysinit.author -- and .profile -- so where do you have the commands to execute tytool and the tyeditor etc

thanks for helping me understand the setup

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February 26, 2004 2:58 PM

ok, here's what is going on...

Mike -

First of all - please be careful - we've pre-configured everything so you don't have to mess with stuff - if you make any mistakes here, you could render your TiVo unbootable; so proceed at your own risk.

We've made modifications to the rc.sysinit file to check for the presence of certain "flags" in the root directory to determine what should and shouldn't be started up at boot time.

So, in your case, you probably have some flags in the root directory such as:

TYTOOL_ON
TYSTUDIO_ON
TIVOWEB_ON

etc...


If you look at the tail end of your rc.sysinit file, you'll see there are some 'conditionals' in the rc.sysinit which check to see if certain flags exist, and then start up the appropriate application.

Why do we do this? If you should choose to disable TiVoWeb, for example, you can just remove the TIVOWEB_ON file or rename it to something like TIVOWEB_OFF, and then when the unit boots, the app will not be started. No editing of your startup files, which can be dangerous.

So, lets say you want to turn tystudio off...

1) make sure your root partition is writable:

type "rootwrite"

2) rename the tTyStudio flag:

type "mv /TYSTUDIO_ON /TYSTUDIO_OFF"

3) sync and reboot the unit

type "sync"
type "reboot"

Now, whenever your unit reboots, the server component of tystudio won't run.

Lou

For answers to commonly asked questions, please refer to the
InstantCake Instructions and Release Notes,
Official InstantCake Discussion Thread, and the
Official PTVnet Discussion Thread

April 2, 2004 11:25 PM

tivoupgrade said:

Mike -
1) make sure your root partition is writable:
type "rootwrite"


Thanks for this explanation; this helps me appreciate PTV's handiwork all the more. I too am trying to educate myself and reading all I can now that I have an upgraded DTiVo courtesy of Lou. Yes, I'm being careful and not changing a thing. Just reading, and poking around.

Can I assume that "rootwrite" is a shortcut for
"mount -o remount,rw /"
(ie: changing the drive to a read/write state)

and if so, what is the shortcut to change it back to read only?
(ie: mount -o remount,ro /)

Lastly, what does the "sync" command do?

Thanks!

April 4, 2004 1:31 PM

Fofer said:


and if so, what is the shortcut to change it back to read only?
(ie: mount -o remount,ro /)

Lastly, what does the "sync" command do?

Thanks!


never mind about question 1, I figured out it was "rootread"

would still like to know what "sync" does though.

April 4, 2004 3:43 PM

Fofer said:

never mind about question 1, I figured out it was "rootread"

would still like to know what "sync" does though.


sync is important, but in some cases, its not actually required. what it does is synchronize the filesystem cache (of which part may still be residing in memory) with what's actually written on the hard drive. ie; if you make a change to a file, or even copy a file over to your TiVo, and then reboot it, it may reboot and once you log back in, the file may not be there any more, or the changes may not appear to have been written; that would be because the changes you made were still in a portion of the cache residing in memory, and never actually written to the disk.

never a good idea to reboot these units without doing a sync first; i suspect that rebooting using the system reset menu will probably allow the unit to sync before the reboot occurs, but pulling the plug could end up with an unpredictable result...

For answers to commonly asked questions, please refer to the
InstantCake Instructions and Release Notes,
Official InstantCake Discussion Thread, and the
Official PTVnet Discussion Thread

View unverified member's comment - posted by jcirinci

April 12, 2004 11:49 PM

jcirinci said:

Can I get some help figuring out how to enable my InstaCake for Tyserver? I have what looks like an installed tyserver in the /var/index folder but it doesn't execute. Additionally in the rc.sysinit I couldn't find references to the TYSERVER_ON (or something like that). Is it not installed with InstaCake?


DVRchive is not part of InstantCake, plain and simple. But now that you've created a replacement drive from InstantCake that gives you a network accessible unit, configuring tytool, or any other commonly used tools is no different than for any other networked TiVo; ie, its no longer an InstantCake-specific issue.

If you are stumped, please consider a "remote installation services" available here:

http://www.ptvupgrade.com/products/services.html

Remember, we've got to stay in business, somehow, so we can't give away the show...

Thanks,
Lou

For answers to commonly asked questions, please refer to the
InstantCake Instructions and Release Notes,
Official InstantCake Discussion Thread, and the
Official PTVnet Discussion Thread

View unverified member's comment - posted by jcirinci

April 22, 2004 12:41 PM

jcirinci said:

Question to the forum (I believe that is the purpose of this support structure):


Actually, the way I perceive it (and I could be wrong) this forum is intended as a support forum for customers of PTVupgrade's specific products/upgrades/services, as opposed to just a general forum for any and all TiVo hacking. For that, you're better suited to visit the TiVo Underground (or dealdatabase.com if it involves extraction.)

In other words, if you didn't pay PTVupgrade for the installation of DVRchive, then I wouldn't expect Lou or this forum to be a place to look for help in doing it yourself. (Just like I wouldn't hang out in the waiting room of a lawyer's office hoping to score some free legal advice.)

If you want to truly do it yourself and save some money, then do it yourself and use the appropriate avenues. IOW, there's a reason Lou charges for the installation.

April 22, 2004 1:28 PM

Fofer said:

Actually, the way I perceive it (and I could be wrong) this forum is intended as a support forum for customers of PTVupgrade's specific products/upgrades/services, as opposed to just a general forum for any and all TiVo hacking. For that, you're better suited to visit the TiVo Underground (or dealdatabase.com if it involves extraction.)

In other words, if you didn't pay PTVupgrade for the installation of DVRchive, then I wouldn't expect Lou or this forum to be a place to look for help in doing it yourself. (Just like I wouldn't hang out in the waiting room of a lawyer's office hoping to score some free legal advice.)

If you want to truly do it yourself and save some money, then do it yourself and use the appropriate avenues. IOW, there's a reason Lou charges for the installation.


Correct and thanks; nothing wrong with requests for general assistance, and info; but chances are that many of them will fall upon "deaf ears" -- places like dealdatabase.com and tivocommunity.com are much better resources for general TiVo upgrading assistance.

Lou

For answers to commonly asked questions, please refer to the
InstantCake Instructions and Release Notes,
Official InstantCake Discussion Thread, and the
Official PTVnet Discussion Thread

View unverified member's comment - posted by jcirinci

April 28, 2004 4:34 PM

jcirinci said:

So I didn't just download the software, I paid for the CD.

Granted it wasn't a huge amount of money but maybe it would have been better for all concerned if the support policies were made clearer, at which point I would have considered other options.

I was driven here from dealdatabse because I would much rather pay for the knowledge that pTV acquired than searching through thousands of posts, and coping with the poor behavior on the people who post there to supposedly "help" others. I don't appreciate your "hang out at the lawyer's office comment" considering that you don't know the details of my relationship with pTV.

SO here's a good customer care consideration to think about for the future:

I was looking to get to know the pTV products, and thought that the InstaCake was a good avenue to do this (considering that I happened to have a spare hard drive to try the product out - had I not had the spare drive I would have purchased one of the NetReady kits - which I also made clear to Lou). Additionally I didn't want to just do a "free-be" download as I respected that there was hard work that went behind creating the product AND I wanted to establish a link to pTV - which is why I purchased the CD.

From the very first contact I was put into a mode where I was put on the defensive because I was costing pTV money by asking questions. This continued in a forum (which I was told to go to BY THE WAY), the implication of which was that it was for the benefit of all users to answer my questions and questions of others.

I never had an intention to cost pTV money by 'giving away the farm' to answer questions that I'm sure others have had / will have. If you want InstaCake to be a true 'do-it-yourself' and want to be able to have 'deaf-ears' for the product, maybe the forum option for InstaCake should go away. You've sent mixed signals for sure!!

The sad part about this is that I was looking forward to purchasing a full NetReady kit for my 4 other Tivos, pending a good result with the first Tivo but have such a bad taste in my mouth from this experience, that I will opt to go elsewhere.

Conclusion, worrying about me costing you money and making that VERY clear, cost you future sales to me. This is very unfortunate.


I think you missed my original point. The 'deaf-ears' comment was to indicate that the general TiVo upgrade community doesn't hang out here, so if you have those types of general questions, if you ask them here, there are a lot of folks who won't see your questions - which is why tivocommunity.com and dealdatabase.com are better forums for those types of questions.

If you have questions about PTVupgrade products, especially InstantCake, and others, then by all means, DO ask them here.

Now, if you think that by purchasing InstantCake we are going to advise you on ALL of your TiVo upgrade needs, then that is another story - we simply don't have the resources to do that!

For answers to commonly asked questions, please refer to the
InstantCake Instructions and Release Notes,
Official InstantCake Discussion Thread, and the
Official PTVnet Discussion Thread

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