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MythTV and TiVo Series 3 Comparison: Battle of Open Source and Proprietary DVRs (Page 5 of 5)

Introduction | Setup and Maintenance | Features | MythTV Only Options and Cost | Verdict

Verdict
Looking at the various features and costs, MythTV looks to be the clear winner; however, the average consumer of electronics that wants to spend the least amount of time during setup and maintenance should not venture into the homebrew or MythTV market. If you’re a special consumer

that feels like the norm is not good enough or a flexible enough solution for your needs, you are a perfect fit for the homebrew market and MythTV… head on over to the MythTV using Ubuntu Installation Guide and give MythTV a try.

Read the followup article - MythTV vs. TiVo Series 3 Part 2 - and continue the discussion.

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February 14, 2007 3:13 PM

Setting up a Myth box can be a major hassle and is not for the faint of heart. Though I'm a developer and have a tech background and experience with Linux, I was not able to get my Myth box running. I ran into one major glitch and though the folks on the mail lists were very helpful, after three months, no one was able to find a solution.

This is a major problem when going with something like Myth--a HW discrepency or some other "glitch" can turn this into a multi-week project.

February 14, 2007 3:18 PM

This article makes a pretty big jump declaring MythTV the "clear winner."

People other than "Grandma" might want the TiVo3. People who want to record HD that the cableco restricts to valid decoders, like HBO (and in some places ESPN, Discovery, etc.)

If you're paying to watch Rome, Sopranos, Extras, The Wire... you might want a TiVo.

February 14, 2007 3:39 PM

How can you post a comparison between Tivo and MythTV without discussing the superb and widely-used feature in MythTV of automatic commercial detection and skipping? Without touching a button, commercials are bypassed during playback.  It's been in MythTV for a long time, and it works very well.

Tivo will probably never have a feature like this because the media industry would be all over them.

February 15, 2007 6:26 AM

Interesting article, but it is biased to the TIVO on a lot of levels.
One of the major points having TIVO win over Mythtv is because TIVO has DRM?  DRM is not a positive in my book.  The article also fails to mention on that level that TIVO has already implemented a 'broadcast' flag of sorts on their units....IOW, somebody can set a flag Over the Air or On Cable that tells TIVO it can't record certain programs.  Look up on the internet, and you'll see the stories of a lot of TIVO owners who suddenly found they couldn't record 'King of the Hill' because the flag got set (of course, TIVO said that was in error).  Welcome to DRM.  Mythtv, thankfully, does not have that restriction, and will record anything the tuner can receive.

Lets not also forget that TIVO records their shows in a proprietary format that can only be played on a TIVO.  They do have conversion routines to let you capture the show via a computer, but the port is again controlled by a flag which can turn it off and prevent the file from being converted/transferred anywhere else.  Again, Mythtv has no such restriction as it records standard mpeg2 and will transcode to standard mpeg4s.

TIVO has other flags to force a program to be watched within 24 to Specified hours before it is automatically deleted from it...couple this with other TIVO flags, and you get the scenario where you are forced to only watch the show within a short time period, and not able to keep it or transfer it anywhere else.  Mythtv only deletes programs when it has to make room for more recent recordings giving the user a chance to copy it off somewhere if they want to keep the show.

Finally, Lets mention something not DRM.  Live TV recording where TIVO & Mythtv both let you watch live, and can pause, go backwards, forwards on what you are currently watching.  TIVO only lets you do that within a 30 minute window of where you are currently viewing a program.  Mythtv lets you watch and go anywhere from the time you started watching live to the current place the program is recording...regardless of if it is 30 minutes or 4 hours.

And it wasn't lost on me that they tried to push an Ubuntu mythtv solution at the end of an article....Perhaps someone should E-mail them and let them know that, in the future, if they want people to set up mythtv boxes, they need to show that Mythtv is an equivalent, not second class to, a TIVO.  Personally, I think a Mythtv box is superior to a TIVO.

--Spicerun 

February 21, 2007 2:18 PM

I've been a MythTV user for a couple years now and have quite an elaborate system running one main server, a slave backend and four frontends [mythtv.org/wiki].  There are a number of things the article missed or glossed over.

  • (+) Plugins - MythTV has lots of plugins that let you do everything from surf the web, view local weather information, play old style ROM arcade games, view a slide show of pictures, to watching XviD encoded videos, all of which we use.  The video collection has been of great utility with kids.  The usefulness of the plugins was a big reason I chose MythTV and have stayed with it.  (Actually TIVO was never considered because of the subscription costs)
  • (-) Setup and Maintenance -  It should not be underestimated how much time it can take getting MythTV to work and then maintaining it.  As a MythTV user you will have to know the Linux command line, how to download and install drivers and fix things when they inevitably don't work.  If you haven't installed a PCI card before, and don't like googling stuff to figure out why it doesn't work, then MythTV is not for you.  MythTV will probably not save you money either because I've found that the money I would have spent on a subscription went into hardware upgrades.

    (+) The flip side to the cost and time commitment is that MythTV has immense flexibilty, for example, in the size and redudancy of storage capability, the type of peripherals and the split arrangement between backend, slave backend and frontends.  Take our ever growing video collection (most ripped from DVDs, fyi), where any new videos are backed up onto a seperate machine each night (rsync'd). Try doing that with a TIVO.

    (+) The machines are also full blown general purpose computers that can do other things.  For example, once you have sunk the money into the MythTV hardware, you can use the same machines for VoIP (via Asterisk) which really saves us money, about $100CND a month.  The pay back period for the extra hardware to do VoIP was less then a year, and gets cheaper as time goes on.  We use dedicated Digium TDM-400 cards that cost ~$500CND about a year ago.  Again, our long distance costs are pennies per minute, each phone is a seperate extension, we can make multiple outgoing or incoming calls, late-night callers are prompted by a menu first before the phones ring, we can control our own caller-ID, etc.
  • (-) DRM can still be a problem with MythTV, for example, some of our HD channels, which we get from the tuner over a firewire cable, have the "5C" flag set.  The end result is that those channels and some HD broadcasts are not transmitted over the firewire and MythTV records nothing.  For HD tuners using firewire and 5C flagged channels, there is no current work around (as of Feb. 21st, 2007).  But I'm sure that will change.

 Cheers, Tug.

March 20, 2007 7:15 PM

I question one thing in the article, the fact that the number of shows you can record at one time on a Myth box is limited only by the number of TV tuner cards you attach.  I suppose that's true if you get your TV via antennae, or if you don't plan on watching any premium channels that require a true cable box.  I'm not even certain if you can pick up HDTV channels over a cable system without an HDTV box.

March 22, 2009 1:28 AM

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